wldgoos. hi there not sure about the planes you listed but , i started out in jan. 03 with the hanger 9 alpha trainer and its a quick RTF and the motor is great for new fliers that dont have much help around. all i did was put it together and charged (24 hr first time) and fueled it up and it flew...of cource i had a long time flier maiden it..that my story and I'm sticking to it...spooner