Thanks for the info guys.Thats helpful information to me.Dogman,I have been following your progress on the bellbuddy.Thats cool.Youre a smart man,but Im gonna have to pass for now.I do well with a pair of plumbers pliers.Just have to grip the front side of the bell where theres a little something in the middle.If you grab the backside where theres nothing in the middle,then the bell will bend everytime,or just order a bellbuddy and have total confidenceThanks again for the info and have a good evening.