[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim_McIntyre [B] As with any issue, there are many 'solutions'
I prefer to mentally place myself in the cockpit, this is the end result of the looking over the shoulder, pointing antenna technique MinnFLyer and others are aluding to....
IMHO, the 'prop the low wing' is a shortcut to a bad habit that you will have to overcome as your flying progresses. Will bite you someday.


Indeed Jim, I to agree that virtually all learning devices can and will lead to 'bad habits' and will do just that if taken out of context to advanced manuvers such as the rolling circle you mention which is a manuver that my tired thumbs still do but also teach not only in aerobatic aircraft but trainers as well. However since this is the beginners forum and the context is the first few flights Learning devices are in fact a good thing. Both the back to the airplane as well as the stick to the low side or prop up the low side with the stick (this one does seem the simplest one to grasp for the intial flights) are far more effective than the rather vague and subjective 'visualize yourself in the cockpit'. The visualize thing is actually where all methods do arrive at however the initial 'devices' do arrive there just a bit sooner.

Learning devices have been very successfully used in all of aviation including full scale since the begining and indeed may not work when taken out of context.

All of the above is entirely 'just my opinion' of course.


John
Don,t forget now----Righty tighty*lefty loosey