I was at a new lhs today and same thing they said they were junk. So playing dumb I looked at a few truggies they had there and to be honest my monsoon looks way stronger even the motor was smaller than the monsoon`s.And too boot it was some no name engines I never heard of. And the truggies were 650.00 but then again everything was expensive there 15.00 for after run oil[:@]