dennis, i have purchased from you before with no issues. but i can say for kirk j, he is a dear friend and a pure class act. he hasnt ever spoken a word to me about the tires. not once. it isnt something he walks around steaming about. he did, however, honestly answer this thread. were they are werent they late? you said so yourself. it is how you handle something that has come up short. you handle it different then most. you come in here saying, and i am paraphrasing, well it was good enough, well i did extra research, its people like you that have created the arf world. well for me, it is post like this that keep people like me from calling you except when i have to, and that is pretty rare. you are a like you or dislike you kind of guy. those who like you will buy from you, and those who dont, will not, because of this in your face kind of post. were they late or not and who set the deadline. lastly, you are not the last of the great modelors as you portray yourself, g kerr showed us an example of that. you would be better served to do as you say to your customers and if you fall short, as we all do from time to time, reconcile at that time and keep it from getting on the net. and if it does get on the net, soft shoe through it a little better. but i have seen many give you that advice before and in a year or so we will see this same scenario with you play out again. barry (the guy with no dog in the fight, just another unsolicited opinion)