I gotta go with the 4*60. I''m on my third. I also have Kaos 40 that I built a turtle deck on and guess what??? I''ts an Ultrasport. Flies great. To me sport flying is relaxing with easy landings. Any of the above listed planes that don''t meet my criteria don''t, well, meet my criteria. Stryker, gremlinno way. Don''t even have LG. I like the Tiger. Don''t know about the Pulse. What about the Advance 40? We have a couple at the field and they fly nicely. We gave away a Dragon Lady last year and have a couple at the field as well. Better than the 4*? I guess that''s a matter of opinion. The Bruce Tharpe Venture 60, now discontinued, is reputed to have all the best qualities of the 4* plus a few added later by Bruce. After all he desinged the original 4*. That my story and......