Yeah, this is a Unionville Hobbies Kit 8' span. I am going to try the suggestions made here as soon as the wind goes and plays in someone else's backyard. I just don't like the look of the elevator when the plane is on the ground, and it also limits the amount of down elevator I have at my disposal should I need it. I'm talking allot of down trim, probably 3/8" from neutral. Makes inverted flight REALLY hard. Just kidding I would not do that with this plane.