Hey Dave (I assume your a plumber by trade) [)], Thanks for the answers. Can you post a photo of your old patroit with the .60? My friends was so ugly with just the firewall there and engine, on such a sleek plane. I do love the patriot, I have had a couple, just with 40's and pipes, very fast, actually they were very forgiving planes. I added retracts, they worked ok, if I ever do another, it will be robarts. I really like this Idea of a DF engine on a prop plane, great idea! I think I have been near your town before on a trip through the state. I am near Racine. I tend to avoid clubs myself, so I am a roamer, always looking for a place to fly, parks, development areas, etc. I would LOVE to have my own field, your a lucky dude. So when you build the F-4, how are you going to attack the ABS problem, if you use it, how will you attach it, what glue what method, etc. I actually bought that kit when tower sold them, and sent it back, because I didn't want to mess with the plastic. I also did that with a Top Flite DC-3, I guess my building skills wouldn't allow me to scratch the ABS parts out of balsa and ply. But wouldn't that be awesome? An F-4 with a built up balsa top, and all ABS gone. Any guys out there that have flown the Phantom for more than a couple seasons, and if so, how did the plastic hold up? Any cracks or major damage over the years, or did it hold ok?

Flyguy, your offer is tempting, I would love to have another patriot, and it would be fun to build them side by side and post photos along the way, but I have several other projects going. Anyone else?
Peace Out.......
Reg