hmm, i see where your coming from. But i also think this is one of the cleanest and easyist to undestand forums i have ever seen. Mostly down to the fact that you arent allowed crazy sized avitars and pictures in you sigs (that really annoys me). i remember getting told off for having the word cen in my avatar [:@]. it was nice to! it was the matrix (movie) green writing that said matrix and the cen logo imposed above it.