Thanks everyone for the condolences LOL I chalk it up to R/C and learning curve which with this thread is way less than on my own have a great friend that put her together and with another friend she will live again to fight again. I learned along time ago though if you worry about crashing you will have no fun in this hobby. I take crashes with a grain of salt I never let them get me down. It was a COOL cartwheel [8D][8D]