thanks for everyone's input. I did go and look again yesterday, farther out, nothing. I will try again today. The good thing is I have a reference (a fence) that I can start from. I know that the plane went down between two trees but I can't find the darn thing. I will keep trying it has to be there. I going bring a weed eater this time and start from the fence and work back. thanks again for the help. Oh yeah, I looked at the locator at tower, problem is there is no connection for the thing. I really don't know how I would connect it with those planes.