Kerwin mine will flat spin till the cows come home! Where is your CG? Waldo mentioned how he gets into one on the upline but you can get there on the downline as well. Just get really high chop throttle point straight down input left aileron until it makes a few revolutions then quickly give full right rudder full up elevator slam it over to full right aileron and full throttle. I guess its just like a blender. You may have to fly the rudder a little to keep it from flying out of the spin. I like to pull the throttle down really low and give it bursts to slow the descent. To get out you just go WOT and give full left rudder and full left aileron at the same time whenever its pointing in the direction you want to go. Unlike Waldo, I think you need maximum throw on the elevator and rudder to do this. It won't go into it just on high rates for me. I have to be on 3D rates or else it just keeps coming down. Low rates kill T@#$TS !!!

DownT dude, just move.