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Old 06-18-2008 | 04:38 PM
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Default RE: safe engine operation.

Once again we see a serious safety issue being trivialised.
No Mr Gladwin, it is not being trivialized, however, I fail to see what somebody getting sucked into a full size engine has to do with a FS setting in a turbine manual.
It's like comparing somebody being hit by an SUV to somebody getting hit with a 1/10 scale RC car.

The FS setup in a manual could be there, maybe should be there, but lets face it, harping on the lack of it in a manual isn't solving the problem. The bottom line is, there are a LOT of turbine users who buy their engine, skip over all the warnings and how to run the engine correctly in order to simply get the thing running. You speak of complacency in the manual, but what about at the field, my bigger concern is the lack of care I've seen at some events. I remember in 2004 watching a few fires which were totally avoidable simply because nobody brought extinguishers with them to the start area. I've seen jets sit fueled and ready, and started with all hatches on, no GDT, just start and fly. It's great that these engines are this reliable that we can get away with that so often, but that's where I see bigger safety concerns.

It's not your high regard for safety that gets to me at all Mr Gladwin, it's the way you present it. No these things are not toys and no we should not take for granted the power that they do have, but honestly, you come onto an internet forum and start a thread by telling us about somebody who got sucked into a full size engine.

In the end, it's up to the end user to correctly use these engines, just like it's up to the end user to be skilled enough to fly these jets. No manual in the world can prevent accidents, it can only leave those who are willing to read better informed. The rules for failsafe are already in place, a conscious and concerned owner will make sure the failsafe is set up correctly regardless of what a manual tells them.

There isn't a model airplane engine out there that I've ever seen where the manual tells you to ONLY use an electric starter and not flip the prop to start it, yet I've seen more people cut fingers up hand starting a prop than I could tell you after 26 years of flying. There is no IC engine manual that tells you to set a failsafe to shut down a 150CC engine in the event of a radio lockout, most people have their failsafe set to Hold, that means potentially an uncontrolled 32" prop flying where-ever it wants.

I just don't see where going on about the lack of something in an instruction manual is going to resolve this particular issue.

Just my 2 cents...