Hey MDS, How are the fingers? Don't sweet the yak yet. What your hearing are the traditional progessions that people have taken in this hobby. With the extreemly light wing loading of these 3D planes you can turn the rates down very low and make them fly like kittens er, kittens don't fly, Uhm you know what I mean. By the way. I just picked up an E-Flite Blade 400 used for $260... hope your ready to help out with that