Thanks for the warm welcome guys. I figured I neede a heli to get my planes out of trees. Despite Arrow's intro I would rate myself as either experienced novice or beginner intermediate. I do have plenty of experience at crashing. I figure 3 months minimum to get a good hover, which I understand to be the basic manuever from which all else comes. I did have a 3 ch co-axial heli for a short time. It was a chinese rip and wouldn't hover well, and on any forward motion the blades would clash. I gave the whole thing away thinking it was just a carpy knock off. The guy I gave it to spent months try to get it to hover before he threw in the towel.

Now Arrow says that heli flying will take over my flying time and cause me to forget my everyday bird, the [link=http://www.lightflite.com]Lightflite Bug[/link] . This is unlikely as I can take it out and bore holes in the sky fast or slow and do oddities with it. I managed to get a fairly nice flat spin figured out. It is also virtually unbreakable. J.Micheal, I know this bird looks odd, but it is the best out of the box trainer and will do some interesting 3-d stuff. Inverted, split s/immelman's, multiple rolls, towering climbs into a hover stall. Oh and I have 3s batteries on mine so nearly limitless pure vertical. I'm presently working on an EDF catamaran for the yard. Stupid wind.

Barrick, I hope to get to know you in the future, and am pleased that your Doc did good work for you. Did you take a Picco Z in with you? Just to fly around the room? They use IR so there are no real reasons for the Doc's not to let you have one if they allow remote control TV's.

Weller makes a soldering iron with a blade holder pn #SP23LHPK.

Tim

Yep I am capable of finger "trots"