Actually he's VERY new, cant even really get him to do a full lap withouttaking it. I use the loops and rolls as the "fun stuff" to keep him interested. He tends to want to do advanced stuff and gets bored if all he is allowed to do is cut circles. So, I taught him the basic loop and a roll my way (I'm not so good at these with my trainer so I put it in a gentle climb first, this way by the time she is right side up again Im level or a slight down angle instead of a power dive[:@]) I told him for every time he gets what I want him to do right, or makes three REAL attempts at it, I will let him play a bit.

Oh, hes 13, my youngest daughter is 8 and she's learning too!! Wierd thing; I asked her if she wanted to do the loops and rolls and she goes "Nah Im good". She's just happy with basic flight. Maybe because her turns look like a half loop with a 90 degree attitude change in it [>:] Man she scared me first time she did that! But it was going up, and she basically had it so I let her go...