10-4 ...I'll make sure I've got it right when I put it back in. and by the way, you're right about the bad experience thing. I live in a small town and the club operated flying fields are limited and all are associated with the bad experience, except for one small grass field nearby and I have been meaning to stop by and introduce myself, but when I have time nobody is there, and when someone is there I don't usually have the time. But I do need too, hell its less than 5 miles from my place. I just have plenty of room to fly over my hayfield and keep a grass runway mowed here at the house! I'm just a very independent person, and don't normaly like to ask paople for help. Although I could've saved myself thousands of dollars by not being so stubborn.(I also fly helis) thanks again man, I'll keep you posted.