Thanks Ken, sounds like sound advice. Geez that came out weird.

Oh by the way that cleaner solution (windshield fluid and soap) works AMAZING!!!

Seems like the general concensus is the 120AX; I guess it makes the most sense - easy, durable, and less expensive. Of course I want the nicest plane and the best 4 stroke, but I really need to remember I have many, many years to get into bigger and better planes. Any pattern ship with a 120AX will be such an improvement over what I've flown, so that should be enough for at least next season.

I think this is also steering me toward the Venus; it's easier to assemble, can take a beating, less expensive, and comes with great customer service.

I don't know why I think I need something better than a Venus II with a 120AX.