My 1st trainer many yrs ago was a hangar9 cessna and I ran a Tigershark46 on it for 2 1/2 years. the trainer went together very well, survived my 2 left dyslexic thumbs and went on to teach another rc'er to fly. In the time I had it, I hung it in a tree twice, had some very hairy arrivals, put floats on it and tried to drown it, but it stood up to it all very well with just some patches on the wings. I know the last 2 ARF's I got will NOT stand up to any of that. I recently got it back, and apart from the covering was worse for wear it was still in one piece, so I recovered it and I gave to a young kid to learn on, and he is having a ball with it. If that trainer could talk it could some stories lol. These days tho I wont consider an ARF at all, and will either buy a kit or plans and scratch build. as has been said before here, why pay the chinese when they dont like us, and the products are inferior and at times dangerous. I also get a lot of enjoyment building a plane and enjoy flying my creation a lot more knowing its been build right.