Well the intended purpose of this thread is not to just beat up on ARF's or compare ARF's to kits or kits to ARF's. The reason I started this thread a few years back was so folks could just post what particular ARF they had lots of trouble with so other flyers might have a heads up or know to keep there eyes open for a possible problem if they buy a certain ARF. The mods would have shut this one down a long time ago if its intended purpose was just to beat up on ARF's. There are a million threads about great ARF's. This thread is for those lemons you bought. Of course it should go without saying that sometimes what constitutes a lemon is subjective, but it still don't hurt to have a thread like this so a guy researching a particular Plane can say "Hey... that guy on RCU said that the Plane he bought had a bunch of hot glue in it. If I buy that Plane I better double check the glue joints." or "Hey... that guy on RCU said his Plane came with a badly warped wing, packaged terrible, with terrible instructions and it flew as bad as it looked. Maybe I will stay clear of that one!" As I said, we can find 10,000 threads talking about how great the 4 stars are, or the Ultra Sports, or LT-40's, or just about any Bridi Plane, etc etc. What people visiting this thread want to know is what ARF's have you owned that others should avoid at all cost and why?