ORIGINAL: Bob Mitchell
ORIGINAL: abel_pranger
What KE is saying is the way it is, whether or not you are comfortable with it. AMA elections are determined by a plurality, not majority vote. I don't know how long it has been that way, but I'm pretty certain there has not been a run off election in the past four decades.
Abel
I'd have to do some digging, but I believe at some point I read about run-offs, and the current procedures being put in place to prevent the need for run off's. I'm suspect that Horrace or some of the other long timers will recall.
And I understand that is the way it is. The whole point of the thread was to discuss current election/nomination policy and address some of the concerns I've seen raised here.
Any comments about them?
Mitchell, have you ever tried reading the AMA Bylaws? Your first post in this thread evidences you don't have a clue about them. In addition you obviously have not read or comprehended what I answered to you in "Why I cannot support Mark Smith for AMA Ex. VP. - 10/13/2008 1:12:21 PM Post #168"
Read Bylaws Articles IX, X, and XI plus Standing Rule: GUIDELINES FOR NOMINATING COMMITTEE OPERATIONS. Everything is right there.
In the above quoted post, you also lend evidence to the fact you don't read replies to your own posts or you have a very short memory. For example, this one concerning run-offs.
Why I cannot support Mark Smith for AMA Ex. VP. - 10/13/2008 1:12:21 PM Post #168 Hossfly to Bob Mitchell
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"Anyone that uses the term "cut and run" for my RESIGNATION has strong excuses (excuse, not reason) for using such statement. I did not "cut and run". I had very good reasons for resigning my positions.
PERSONAL:
1.) The #1 main reason that I resigned was because in 1981 I ran for the EVP position. The ballot had 3 persons. McNeil, Thompson and myself. Thompson was a filler, McNeil was John Worth's chosen, and I was the membership's favorite. Back then one had to win by a 50% + margin. I received 49%. Back then that required a run-off.
The run-off resulted in 13,000+ votes returned, which appeared to be reasonable for an AMA then about 70,000 strong. McNeil won with a 2:1 margin over myself. I received less than 1/2 the original votes.
SO, just HOW in _ell did that happen? Easy: The election was seeded and I had already been advised of that fact by one Mr. Carl Maroney, relatively new in AMA staff, but a honest person that did not favor JW so very much. Outside my own Dist. VI, only those individuals voting for McNeil or Thompson received ballots, plus a light sprinkling. In Dist. VI, about half of those voting for me received ballots, with the majority being Chicago area voters so as to not attract too much attention.
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There have been changes to the Bylaws since then. However it wasn't peons like you or I that had them accomplished. It was strictly an insider's job.
So why don't you send in some formal requests for Bylaws chnages? Then you will find out why the AMA member outside the chosen-selects run up against a brick wall.
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ARTICLE XV
Amendments
Recommendations for Bylaws changes may be proposed in writing by
any
member of the Executive Council, any member of the Bylaws Committee,
or
any 20 members of the Academy.
The Executive Council shall direct
proposed amendments to the Bylaws Committee for recommendations
prior to deliberation by the Executive Council. If the recommended
amendment(s) are accepted by a majority vote of the Executive Council,
the amendment(s) must be ratified before adoption by a mail ballot to
Leader members. An affirmative vote of 2/3 of Leader members responding
within 45 days of issuance of a mail ballot shall adopt the amendment(s).
NOTE: Article IX—Nominations and Elections—Section 4. A “bona
fide legal resident” has been defined by the AMA Executive Council to be
in accordance with the current address in the membership file at AMA
Headquarters.
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OK, so you get your DVP, or 19 other members to accept your proposed changes and you submit them to the EC. Then they go to "committee" which is just another Black Hole out in Outer Space. If you don't believe it, then try it. [>:]
Now I will reveal another little known fact.
If there is irony in the world this is it. A joke on me done by me! [
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In early '81, John Worth, the ED, then a voting member of the EC, was fighting to get the plurality vice the then majority changed. I kept that from happening. In the first vote for EVP in '81, I won by plurality. Had I supported JW and that Bylaws change passed, in '82 I would have been the AMA EVP.
Such is life.
Now, Mitchell, if you wish to lead a discussion in a regulated topic, may I suggest you just might be somewhat more effective if you knew those regulations concerning your chosen topic.