Well mclina thank u for your pointless and useless response. Yes I have a interest in promoting these planes. Do u have a problem with that? I think the best thing for a beginner is having a plane that when he/she takes off they know if they make one minor mistake, or failure that there plane wont be turned into scrap pile. mclina I'm just trying to help the beginners out and was curious thats all. Calm down little fella it will be ok. As for everyone else I appreciate your opinion and input. Later guys.