ORIGINAL: Hossfly
Mitchell, that's just too bad you don't buy into it. Unfortunately, the late Earl Witt, AMA President at the time, is not available to substantiate the information. John Worth is, however I seriously doubt that he will attest to it. Dave Brown was there, and he knows the story. Will he tell it? D_mn if I know. The AMA Staff Director, Joyce Hager, was there. Will she admit to the story? Since if she did, her lifetime job would probably evaporate like Carl Maroney's job did, and not long ago. I am sure she can evade that part of her memory.
Horrace, if someone else came into the forum with such a story, listing people who were there but can't or won't talk about it, would YOU take it at face value? I don't think so.
The next year, 1981, I was very much pressured to vote to keep McNeil off the ballot.
I refused to do so. Yep, another of those "hard to work with situations."
It had been done to me and I was NOT going to do it to someone else. IMO, that is the duty and responsibility of the membership to vote Out and In, not the EC.
Good for you! I agree with that 100%. It's the right and honorable thing to do. So why are you responding to me the way you are on this?
While YOU, Mitchell, want this to be a discussion about suggested changes, I am not so naive as to think that anything could ever come of such items. Only an EC person, not afraid to stand up, be counted, and report back to the membership concerning the problem areas, will ever be able to just possibly effect some changes that may give the membership some small bit of say in how the EC operates and controls things.
So what are you saying here, Horrace? That talking about changes that need to be made is a waste of time? That the only needed discussion is about electing somone who may try to make those changes that we're wasting our time talking about? That's what it sounds like. (But before you start your next likely rant that I'm putting words in your mouth please note that I'm ASKING if that is what you're saying.)
Now that recent events indicate the Staff seems to be calling all the shots, well Mitchell, I think your big venture with this thread is simply a diversion from the main subject of this year's election.
Oh good grief, Horrace. That's just silly. As of this writing the last posting in your election forum was 9 days ago. The last posting to a thread relating directly to this specific election was 7 days ago. Yep, I'm diverting discussion away from hot election topics that haven't been posted to in a week or more. That's out in left field even for you.
Why are you so bound and determined to not offer anything substantive about what you think should be done about the current nominating procedures? Are you so ticked off at me that you can't bring yourself to say "I agree with you?" If you are elected, is this an example of how you're going to work with people you traditionally disagree with, even on a subject where you share the same basic opinions? (And before anyone jumps to the conclusion that the whole purpose of this thread was to make this point, the thread is three days and 70 posts old, I've made every attempt I can to keep it on topic, and I'm not the one that insisted on interjecting this year's EVP election into the mix)
In all my AMA years, this EVP election has created more attention to AMA election processes than any election I can remember, including Pres. [>:]
Then why the little frownie thingie? Isn't this a good thing? I think it's a good thing.
Now, one last attempt to move this back to topic:
Only an EC person, not afraid to stand up, be counted, and report back to the membership concerning the problem areas, will ever be able to just possibly effect some changes that may give the membership some small bit of say in how the EC operates and controls things.
OK, so assume you are elected. That you're not afraid to stand up and be counted. Not afraid to report back to the membership concerning problems. That you're trying to make some changes to put the membership back into control of things. What changes would you make to the nominating and election procedures? I know that you agree with me and others that changes should be made. What would you do?