Hmmm, I think my problem is timing. The idea of doing half a cuban 8 is one I hadnt thought of. This would help me get the timing down on the roll. The other issue of course is learning to get that half roll done quickly, without over or under rolling it.

My usual problem when Ive attempted the whole maneuver is to either run scarily short on altitude and bail out, or to roll so quickly that I over shoot, making the pull up a pull up turn type thing.

I will try 1/2 the maneuver for a while and see if I can get that down, THANKS!