Thanks for the Info but i wont buy anything off ebay i hate shopping online because if you have a problem you can never get any help. but unfortinatly my closest hobby shop is an hour and a half away one good thing is that the owner is older and very nowledgeable not just there so sell you stuff, and he can get me a trex from horizon hobby through him so i will probably go that route. when you buy things online you sometimes save hundreds of dollars but i would rather pay that and have good face to face customer service. just my OP. Back to the heli thing are the HS65's what most people use? also budget?[&:] whats that? No just kidding i do have a budget but its more or less just what i feel like spending. If i see something nice or good quality i will pay for it i dont like to cheapout on hobby stuff