I'm quoting a few different guys here, so dont get upset if I dont attrib all the different posters
How do you negotiate a frequency sharing agreement with a random group, that has no organization? The club has no way to know who may or may not be flying at the other site on any given day, nor does anyone else since they aren't a club. The club can't develop or enforce an agreement with random members of the public who may show up to fly.
What is the club to do?
Do the individuals who are flying at the other site have any responsibilities? What would you suggest that they do?
Abel, how can the club negotiate a workable frequency control agreement with an ad hoc group that consists of whoever may show up to fly, on whatever channel they happen to have on their transmitter? Such an agreement cannot be enforced without some sort of structure, and that structure doesn't exist.<...snip...>
It's unworkable, unenforcable and untrustworthy to anyone who has some money tied up in their aircraft
Reread what I said about Petition style freq sharing plan.
You say it wont cover the unkowns.... but the 'unknows' are not what will get the club shut down by Muncie, you need to deal with the Known Conflictors: the 3 random flyers at the rogue site that you get to sign the sharing plan.
Will that Petition be a bulletproof guarantee against all potential unkown future conflictors?
Heck no.
What guarantee is there that some other clowns wont turn on a TX in their dining room at any given moment near any club. But that petition style signed sharing agreement with the
KNOWN conflictors will let the club have a signed sharing agreement that will prevent Muncie from shutting down the club for freq conflict. The ama rules dont say you need to guarantee against unknown future conflicts, you just have to deal with the ones you know about. And getting a handfull of signatures from the Knowns will do that.
But 2 major hurdles to overcome first:
The club has to agree to obey the fed non-interference and Muncie Conflict rules to give up those couple freqs.
The club has to
want to do anything at all even similar to obeying their own(ama) rules, rather than creating more folks that hate the entire AMA for getting them kicked off their flying site.
Yes, just throwing ones hands up and declaring it imposible is a lot easier than meeting with the Rogues or doing anything at all to get the sharing plan. It is far easier to say it cant be done, than to listen to the way folks are saying to do it. It is far far far easier to make folks hate the AMA than to get them to like us.
That way, if the second site does get shut down it's beause the county decided to do so, not as a result of a request by the club. Due to the potential liability, the county has a vested interest in making sure that planes aren't randomly going out of control as a result of interference.
Oh yeah, just lay the old Doom&Gloom insurance scare on the county and watch the county shut them down while we say we didnt cause it. Other than 5year olds, that aint gonna fool nobody.
Lets see where the root of the recurring problem is:
Long time established club. Years of sweat and money invested in a flying site.
interference with our established site
Theres the problem: Folks think that they are 'established' which make them exempt from Fed freq use rules.
It dont.
Anytime you need to use the term Established when talking about public freq rights, you just lost the arguement. The Fed says there is no establishing reserved use of the freqs, its anyone anytime as long as you dont interfere witha freq
in use.... the instant the club switches off their tx the freq is not in use by them and they have to not interfere with anyone else using it. This has absoluely nothing to do with AMA, it is the Fed, and they dont make exemptions for ama clubs. If you dont want the hassle of having to not interfere with others using the free public use freqs, then dont use them.
In a perfect world the county would step in, be the "bad guy" and resolve the situation
No, the clubbers make friends with the rogues rather than ama haters
and get a sharing agreement and have their friends remind other new guys about interference.
Why is a win-win friendship & sharing with fellow aeromodelers not even an ideal for you... is it so alien for you to get along and make friends even when there is a common hobby