Ok, my only flying space is a school yard, and i dont know of any clubs in the area, il have to do some research. Im probably going to go with the apprentice because of its durability, however i do not plan to get into highly sophisticated rc planes. I am teaching myself, and i don't find it too hard either. I can fly my parkzone J3 cub fairly well, and i have to say that plane has problems. The electronics on it are beyond glitchy, the rudder is non responsive half the time, but i still manage to fly it half decently. It looks like il be getting the apprentice then. thanks for your help, and if theres anything else feel free to add it.