sorry tedmo. maybe they did have kits , don't know i came from the poor side of town, we didn't have hobby shops , jutt a few guys who played with these things, i do consider my self a newby as it has been so long. i didn't mean to fluff any feathers, just ask a simple question about something i didn,t know, i thought that this was the thing to do. i will not ask anymore, i think newbys will be reluctent to ask questions when all they get is a smart ass answer. have a good life, you will hear from me no more.