Thanks rainedave, I wanted the Super Chaos but bluejay was out and would be for the next 6 plus weeks. Waiting and then as slow as I build it would be mid to late summer before I could get it in the air. At the same time they indicate it is a tail dragger and I want the trike. I could convert the utter Chaos to a tail dragger because there is no problem with mains, just the nose gear.