pimmnz answer your post 237

I think the history is too complicated for you to write down in such a short post.
At least you must make a time schedule for yourself to write down the important facts you use and learn.

As I did write in an other thread about a post of you also, I think you have to speak better with your info people and be careful with writing down important information without knowing the facts. Do not work with facts you did not prove yourself.

First I split up your complete message with only the facts numbered in the sequence of my own “Taurus construction and flying schedule”. This schedule is growing every month by the details I discover, I am making rev D now.

Your post: 237

3. Yes Cees, but Ed modified 'his' Taurus to be 1" longer than the original version.

4. Ed's modified Taurus won the 1962 US Nats,

2. went to Africa and

7. came 3rd in Belgium 1963 World Champs.

6. It's on the cover of the Jan 1963 MAN and is the MAN plan and Top Flite kit version.

1. Old Faithful.

5. The October 1962 RCM&E plan was done from the original blueprints

8. and shows the shorter fuselage which Ed went back to when proportional came along and
the longer moment wasn't needed for smooth control.


Now I re arrange the facts in the normal time schedule and add the info as best I have on this moment:

1. Old Faithful
First period is half 1961 Ed did design and build the first Contest Taurus for himself after the Flop still with a normal tail length. This is the plane I reconstruct now.

In December 1961 the first preproduction Taurus is designed and put in plans and this Taurus does make the first flight probably in the last months of 1961. The fuselage of this Taurus already does have the standard Taurus length and is wider than the contest Taurus. Also the thrustline has a higher position than the contest Taurus.

2. went to Africa
In 1962 Ed did make the first preproduction Taurus for Top Flite for promotion activities and went to Africa in april with also his own Contest Taurus.

3. Yes Cees, but Ed modified 'his' Taurus to be 1" longer than the original version.
After Ed came back from Africa he did make his own Contest Taurus longer. He did make this one inch longer than the Preproduction Top Flite Taurus he had.

4.Ed's modified Taurus won the 1962 US Nats,
In 1962 Ed did use the (one inch longer) Contest Taurus for contest flying in 1962, we can read that in the magazines. He also did use the Preproduction Top Flite Taurus for promotion, but probably not for contest.

5. The October 1962 RCM&E plan was done from the original blueprints
The first public publication is in RCM & E, drawings probably made with use of the plans of December, no Top Flite details, The RCM & E shows us the K & B Engine in the nose of the Taurus.

6. It's on the cover of the Jan 1963 MAN and is the MAN plan and Top Flite kit version.
The first MAN Publication with the drawing and description of the Taurus and remarkable details of the preproduction Top Flite Taurus Ed did have with him to Africa.
In the MAN drawings we see still the K & B 45.

7. and came 3rd in Belgium 1963 World Champs.
Yes, in Belgium Ed did use an old wingset of the (Old Faithful) Contest Taurus with the Top Flite preproduction Taurus fuselage. I did show you all in the thread of the Ed Kazmirski’s Taurus, but, he did already change the (Old Faithful) Contest Taurus again with the thick wing and thick sheeted stab (carrier).

8 and shows the shorter fuselage which Ed went back to when proportional came along and the longer moment wasn't needed for smooth control.
That was a long time later and you did forget the swept back wing.
in 1964 During the trip of Ed in Japan and Les Fruh during the nats we see the shortened tail, the last generation of the Taurus.

So that makes the story clear, you are synchronized, do not forget the sequence of your facts anymore!

BTW It seems me better you do not post any message in my thread this way anymore otherwise than asking me questions about my project.

This message is also to make the situation clear for the future, I can look back with you and show this post.


Cees