Terry, If you want a good cheap RTF trainer look at the Tower Hobbies 40 MKII (towerhobbies.com). A lot of guys here have learned on it, it's cheap, and a great flier/trainer. I think it's right around 280 for the package deal. If you want to pick and choose your own parts (and a better radio to start off with and maybe and get more use out of than the RTF radio) the trainer is only $79 all by itself. It's about as cheap as they come...and a good plane...it looks suspiciously like a Hobbico....hmmmmmm