Thanks for all that great info,I fly the heck outta my 4 star, it became second nature taking it off and landing but it was a big change going from a trainer to a low wing.I have built a astro hog,it's about 95% done just needs servos and receiver, but I will work on flying that plane this year and save the bipe for the next year if I feel I masterd the low wing astro.I like to take things in small steps to avoid frustraition.My father in law is the opposite,he goes from a trainer to a T-34 and has not masterd landings yet on the trainer.I do think he is ready for the next step in planes,I sugested a 4* or a tiger but he hates the way they look.Oh well mabe some day he will come to understand the differnt natures that planes have.He is working on a aero master bipe this winter,he got it as a lazer kit and planes from AMA.I heard good things about this plane like no bad habbits but I still don't think he is gonna be ready for this one either.Oh ya he is powering it with a .46 eflight electric motor.(think thats enough motor?)