ALL you guys are missing the point here ! I'm not talking about trying to convert the grey headed old farts who have been flying competitively for the last 50 years or so - I'm not even talking about the youngsters who fly F2B (few as they are) - what I AM talking about is PUTTING THE FUN back into C/L flying ! Believe it or not - for every one flyer out there who can fly the pattern, there has to be at least 10 who CAN'T (and probably never will - such as myself for instance). That's todays figures - back in the 1950's, it was probably 1 expert to at least three or four hundred "sport" flyers, who just enjoyed doing a few loops and lazy eights. How many car drivers are out there ? How many can drive Formula One ? The time is 1 minute to midnight - after the present lot of experts fall off the perch, who will still be flying Control Line ? Answer : nobody will, simply because so much emphasis is placed on being able to fly stunt at a professional level, and not enough on simply enjoying a great hobby and having fun. BOB