I realize what you mean dallas. You want info, not people debating between each other. From what I hear ys engines are much more powerful than other 4 strokes of comparable size. This seems to hold up and no one argues it. So if your budget cant get you an expensive one like that, I would recommend the Magnum 1.20. It will cost about the same as a 2 stroke of the previously mentioned sized, and will have that sweet 4 stroke sound.