I take on board all you say oh son of fletcher, and thank you for your imput.The situation as well you can imagine isnt quite as simple as that in so far as the 12 guys all put their money into the collective pot,As well you imagine ordering goods at this distance is complex what with carriage, customs duty etc, but going off adverts and earlier experiance with US companies we naturally thought that AZM trod the same path. I have had dealings with Glen Torrance and the service has allways been magic, When in the US I found that service was of paramount importance, a real pleasure in fact dealing with them. I honestly cant see why AZM can act in the way laid out in this forum, We have a large second order ready to go to AZM once the first order is delivered so naturally some of the guys are reluctant to rock the boat. A catch 22 situation if ever there was one. No company can survive, surely not, going the rout as stated on this forum. I will keep you all posted as to any developments of this you can be sure. my regards to all Ken Hart (DP/UK)