I do thank you guys for your input. It is now 7.30 sunday evening ere so there isnt much that can be done tonight. Besides that I am not the only one involved and I need to think out just what to do next.I am stunned the way things look and I have to state for the record I dont believe for one moment that your experiences are ficticious, I also believe that this is the tip of a b.....dy big iceberg as tyhere must be many more out there we dont know about, just how many we may never know.Even now I find it hard to believe, I must be what doctors call in denial. I keep thinking please please someone post that you had a GTM experiance with AZM. THANKS AGAIN GUYS, i WILL KEEP YOU POSTED. my regards to you all Ken..........PS. Dawn Patrol UK is a bunch of guys all within the LMA (Large Model Association) who build and fly as a demonstration team 1/3rd scale WW.1 a/c built and flown to a high standard. There are about 30 of us with a waiting list of about the same number. Ken