Well guys, thanks for all of your input on my venus problem. I planted it right in the dirt today!! I was just getting used to it and learning how much was too much on the elevator, I was really having a lot of fun, but that darn snap-roll finally got the best of me. I made a fast fly-by over the runway and then pulled up, flipped inverted while climbing and then eased back on the elevator, planning to just loop toward the runway, and then do another fly-by. well, the ground kept coming faster and faster, so I kept easing back on the stick - when I finally hit that point where it snapped out. It happened when I was about 10 ft off the deck, nothing I could do at that point, it spiraled right into the dirt! It was quite a sight. I guess I needed a little more altitude to pull that off! It was fun while it lasted though.