ORIGINAL: tIANci
Hezik ... you are not blunt, you only want to read what you want in what we write.
Offcouse I'll disagree
.. and go further by saying it's the other way around. I'll explain what I mean:
Example, I said do not assume, I mean all the Elements, I already said what happened with a few that got out.
That is exactly the problem I'm having with it. I'm not saying all Elements are too heavy, I trust that if Fliton recognised some came out too heavy and they say they corrected the problem, that they actually did that.
Fact still remains that the first batch contained planes which were heavy and planes which were good. Fact is also that if someone has an Element in their shop right now, it's probably a first batch version. So if you go out and buy one, you're basically gambling. If you're lucky you'll get a 'good' one, if luck is not on your side you'll get a heavy one.
That in itself isn't even the major problemen, misstakes happen, and for a lot of people it won't even matter that much, as stated, even weigting in at about 5500~5600 grams, it still flies fine.. with a fuel engine you might even reach the 5kg mark, though barely and in heavy winds one could even say it's an advantage. However, the FAI rules are clear: 5kg and not an ounce more. So if you plan on competing with this plane, and you're on a limited budget, it's up to you wether or not you want to take the gamble of losing at least one season because you were the unlucky one that got a heavy one.
As I said, I'm not willing to take that gamble, especially since the aftersales support by fliton seems to be lacking.
Couldn't you have told me that before I sold my house for airplanes, my wife left me, and so on?
It is a hobby, true, in the end we're all grown men/women who go out on the field to play with their big toys. However, if you invest somewhere in the neighbourhood of 1000~1500 euro in a plane, you can at least expect whatever you get delivered meets the specifications.
Regarding the EF comment, it is bunched along with other planes with examples. They have their own problems but what I am saying it not that its LOUSY but people will work around it and they just accept it, unless the wings are warped etc.
True, true, but the problem is.. a plane which has a weak spot but is not too heavy is something you can work around. A plane which is 500 grams too heavy is.. well.. useless. The only way to get the 500 grams of of it, would be basically rebuilding half the thing. I''m contemplating removing the entire firewall, the cockpit floor and backside, half the formers and also make cutouts in the wing. The original landing gear was already replaced by a bolly gear.
I owned a few Flitons and have flown them along with many planes and having flown my Sebart Angel, I dare to say that the Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle flies as nice as the Angel. I know it. Perhaps you need to try both to say where the similarity stops. Of course they still are different sort of planes but if we talk about how well it handles, both handle as well.
Agreed, I'm not stating all fliton airplanes are too heavy or lack in quality. What I was saying is that IF you buy an element it's a gamble AND that, in my opninion, it also has it's quirks besides that, like bad covering.
I shall leave it for now. Let's keep it as a happy hobby and learn to read things objectively. No point shoving our point down someone's throat with so much fervor.
You'll have to understand that Fliton leaves me no choice on this matter. I'm helping a friend out by trying to get the point accross to Fliton that this is not the way to go. My apologies if I offended you in any way.