ORIGINAL: AndyKunz
Cees,
I _DID_ read the posting you suggested, and was totally unable to make a connection from that thread to my questions. That is why I asked for a straightforward yes/no reply.
Thank you for it.
Andy
Andy,
I explain the message by a story that we can better understand the "Brown paper", but first the whole massage because I was the first one on the “to” list:
ORIGINAL: avlwilsons
ORIGINAL: RFJ
Will that be correct?
Does not this has to be 1963.
I found this strange also as it means that the Africa trip was the first "public" appearance of the Taurus (two of them in fact) but here is the complete magazine page showing the date published. Further on in the article the start date of the trip is given as 17th April ie. before the US Nats
UStik - Thanks, those are useful additions to the time line.
Cess - ref pimmnz pics: "Over the Waves" is from Aeromodeller July 1962 and " The Champ Chats" is from RCM&E october 1962
Ray
Cees/Ray/Pimmnz
I just got off the phone this afternoon with Dennis Hunt, and he confirmed the S. Africa trip was in April of 1962. It was a three week trip throughout Africa that Dennis had been working to arrange with Top Flite since 1960.
Apparently in the beginning, there was no guarantee that Ed would be able to ship his planes there, so Ed worked directly WITH Dennis as the Taurus was being designed and built so Dennis would have an exact duplicate there waiting for him when he arrived. He sent Dennis drawings, (most of them very crude on brown paper), and told Dennis what to do to build his properly. The picture on post #298 shows Dennis posing with his own exact Taurus duplicate. The specs of the crate, and arrangements for transporting it were handled by Dennis.
I hope you folks are sitting down. Dennis recalls the two Taurus models that traveled to S. Africa as being IDENTICAL if his memory serves correctly.[X(][X(] I don't know if other evidence presented in this thread may serve to refresh his memory; it would be interesting to get further commentary after he reads the whole thread.
If the two planes were identical, it means the second Taurus fuselage on the right side of the crate with the military pilot and more streamlined fuselage was built at a later time, most likely after the 1962 Nats, and before the 1963 World Championships. Pictures dated August 1963 (Carrier photos), clearly show the Taurus 2 with wing #3. As has been proposed by Cees, an earlier wing was modified to produce the "carrier wing", and maybe the striped wing, (alternate wing paint scheme). Both Taurus versions were most likely present in Belgium...one with reeds and one with proportional. It has been discussed previously that Ed chose to fly his "reed" Taurus, (now the VR/CS Taurus), because of the windy conditions in Belgium.
Dennis states that Ed was always making changes and learning from experience. My own best guess is that the striped wing, (alternate paint scheme wing) was built/modified last, as it shows up in later photos, and has more modern hinged control surfaces. Ed kept these two Taurus versions after he left R/C since they were the most important to him, and held the most memories. The Taurus 2 probably became his primary plane after the 1963 "worlds". I don't see any evidence of pictures after 1963 in Belgium of the original VR/CS Taurus. I think it was "retired" after the World Championships.
I know there is still a lot of speculation, but please go "easy on me" everybody.
Hopefiully Dennis will catch up on the thread, and respond himself at a later time.
Duane
Let us think! Role Play.
Andy, you are for a while a member of a society that loves paintings and you do like to be “well known”!
On one moment, there is auctioned a painting on Paintbay that maybe is made by “Rembrandt” our Dutch famous painter.
You of course are Rembrandt minded and do advise your society:”Buy that painting because it is a “Rembrandt Night Watch” painting! ”
Later on the RCPaintiverse you become important member in a thread about that painting; “Rembrandt’s Night Watch”
After some posts you do think:
”It would be great when I can prove that the “Rembrandt Night Watch” is really made by himself Rembrandt and not a pupil as sometimes is discovered with old paintings!”
“It would also be great when I can prove it, is also the first “Night Watch” Rembrandt ever painted.. Then I too will be very famous!”
How can I arrange that?
On one moment (I hope you folks are sitting down) you see a picture in a earier post of that painting on RCPaintiverse, the “Rembrandt Night Watch” in a very, very first moment during an exhibition in Rhodesia.
On that picture you also see a “well known person” WKP exposing with that painting.
Because you did tell us always you know every important person of the Painting Scene you have this person after some time “Off the telephone ” and?
“That is not the painting Rembrandt did make! That is a painting I did make myself, I worked directly WITH Rembrandt when he was painting the Night Watch!!!!! ”, does tell your WKP
“So that they have an exact duplicate there waiting in Rhodesia for the situation Rembrandt could not finish his own Night Watch in time.”
(Because it cost too much money to send the Night Watch to Rhodesia , reason did change)
End of the story.
At least you can try to sell these nonsense on RCPaintiverse
When people believe your “fairy tale”, then it is proved the painting that is owned by your society is made by Rembrandt, and not by a pupil of him!
When people believe the “Fairy tale” the painting is also as old as the exhibition in Rhodesia(but not As old as the way to Rome) and maybe that is the first traceable moment in the future!
And that Night Watch WKP did make? Sorry there is only one picture of it and that Night Watch is gone!!!!!!!!!
(BTW I do NOT say that the WKP did not make a painting, but he was not able to make a Night Watch.)
So, read the story again but now with the other persons:
You are Duane Wilson
The society that loves paitings is VR/CS
Rembrandt is Ed Kazmirski
Pupil of Rembrandt is Top Flite Chicago
WKP (Well Known Person) is D. Hunt
The Night Watch is the Top Flite Taurus of VRCS
Rembrandt's Night Watch (thread) is Ed kazmirski's Taurus (thread)
My opinion?
Read the post ten times and you see nothing fits,
The whole story is nonsense but did destroy the Ed Kazmirski’s Taurus thread, because this EYE WITHNESS account is used many times.
The post is a combination of two stories that not fit together, and even in this period they are manipulating pictures of planes. In the second part (older) the crate picture was known it was made in Genk Belgium 1963.
When you want to defend the story you have to eliminate any Taurus trace in 1961 so the Detroit Invitationals and the Lufthansa awarded Throphy Concours(e) d’Elegance and they did!
When someone wants to let other people believe this story he never understands what Ed Kazmirski did realize for us in the past and did try to learn us.
With the painting story maybe you, but I hope also other people, understand there was only one possibility to save the real history, make the plane on the crate picture again and after that the picture of the crate with using a Top Flite Taurus.
And(Y) let me tell you, it did cost a lot of time to "Scratch build" that plane!
Oh BTW, I never did read magazines before I started these Taurus activities so I have a clear vision.
After my explanation is officially believed by VRCS, the name “Wester Taurus” will disappear, and the Ed Kazmirski first Contest Taurus can be the name.
Until that moment the ”Wester Taurus” will not fly, so maybe never.
Cees