Thanks for the response it seems like thats the common problem on L.I. Can't wait to finally pack it in and move somewhere with more open space and better year round flying weather, 40 deg on April 12 just doesn't cut it anymore. I am going to try to work on a permit for Ceder Creek soon though. Flew there last summer at one of the GS fly ins and had a nice time. I fly a 50cc WH suk and presently trying to finish up a WH 35% Edge so maybe we'll get a chance to meet up.