there is a show/display/ what are they called anyway ? and a localish park this weekend   so if we dont take the horses out ( wife gets first choice on weekend stuff, then ill try and make it up there,  there used to be a group that flew on the moor at my home town   some of those planes were MASSIVE and must have took yeras to build   always been interested  but  as always working odd shifts  and then life somehow got in the way of things

 anyway it looks like from what everyone is saying that teh Camel is a bad choice as a first plane to fly,  yes I understand  this   but was willing to try ................................. oh well ill build it anyway as a display one unless I get menatl and think sod it   *** ill give it a go   whats the worst that could happen ............... kindling  </p>

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 thanks again for all the comments and help </p>