Thanks for the tips guys but what is HBFP and do you think the Eflight sim for $20 is any good should I stick with the G4 demo I have to pratice. I'd rather stick to "less fun" heli to start I think. Cheaper and less frustrating. Although I know the larger heli's would be more stable I don't have the cash to go nitro right now or to fix an electric than I'm crashing all the time. So I think I should look into something a little less expensive and better to learn with. maybe even an indoor one if that would at least teach me the basics.