CRFlyer - You said, "Not saying all ARF's are bad, but there is nothing wrong with starting out building a kit." Hey, I don't disagree at all. Likewise, I think you would agree that deciding which way to go depends on the basic skill set of the individual, and whether or not he or she has access to good help in the assembly/building process. I'm sure you have seen the debates regarding kits vs ARF's. Not trying to debate this. Regardless of the product type, it all comes down to personal choice and the quality of the product selected.

Blackie - Yes, the airplane was checked thoroughly after assembly and basic modifications were made. Likewise a thorough preflight was performed before the maiden flight. That said, new people in the hobby, who simply do not know better, become easy prey to the manufacturers who are marketing these cheap trainer products for under 200.00 and advertised to be easily assembled in a few hours. Even the best ARF kits demand attention to particular flaws. All the checking in the world won't correct design, manufacturing and material flaws. I guess we could send all student pilots packing if we think their airplanes are junk. We would be sending many people home with their pride and joy in their hands if we took this approach.

I am simply suggesting, to those interested in purchasing their first airplane, to not fall into this trap. A student pilot and an instructor should be able to expect a quality product to work with that will, at the very least, get the student and the instructor through the training process so the student pilot can solo and then advance to their second airplane. I wonder how many new folks went home thinking the instructor broke their airplane? Not good for any element to the hobby. Even the best product can fail, but your more likely to have a positive experience with a quality product.

There are excellent engines, very good ARF and full assembly trainer kits on the market. If you are paying attention this thread, again, ask an experienced pilot at your local flying club before you buy something that simply lures you in because of the cheap price tag and quick assembly time. Pay 200.00 or better and buy a quality product with a good engine, and good transmitter that will match the buddy box at your local flying field. I promise this will get you hooked on the hobby and set yourself up for much fun to come. Here are a few good suggestions. Check out this thread on RCU. I just saw this and felt it was a good start, but still ask those at your field for the best suggestions. http://rcuniverse.com/showthread.php...357&forumid=22