J.A.W thank you I'm not so much interested in an Apache just wanted to check out the Viper hulls since I haven't herd of them. But as you said I'm sure the shipping would be pretty steep. Even being new to the hobby I have only herd good things about Aero's hulls. I assume that they would not put cheap running gear on there hulls it's just that compared to the pics I've seen on other sites there's didn't look so good. As I said before though this could very well just be a case of poor pictures on the site. I should also mention that I'm looking to build a new boat using parts from a boat I bought on Ebay. So what ever hull I end up with I'll need running gear,Radio box, prop and I’m sure I’ll find some other things as I learn more. I will you the motor from my current boat (stock ZEN 260) as well as the radio and servos (spectrum DX3) standard throttle servo and a high torque for the rudder. As always a big thank You to everyone for all of your help and advice.