Thanks again Toofat. I've been eyeing a super G for years so I'm glad to hear WHH is highly thought off in the hobby. I just want to get a hull I can grow with a little. I'd love a cat someday but figured I really shouldn't try to start there. but I feel if I can get a hull for now that is good to somewhere near fifty I will have my hands full for a while. Would you recommend the M5 upgrade for this hull I thought it looked like a good deal for the money?