Here is a plane I want to learn 3d on http://www.********.com/pdfplans-listings.htm, its the extra 300 on the bottom of the page. I have a small foamie but its limited cause its just aileron and elevator mix. http://www.hcmafield.com/HCMA%20Memb.../AllItems.aspx Its the foamie at the bottom of the page and I'm the one in the field getting the plane, I cant remember how I crashed but no damage. My favorite thing thing to do is to slowly fly at a HA inches above the grass on the runway, I have scrap the grass a few times[8D]. I can hover but only for a short moment since I have no rubber. About the extra, I think I'll put gear on the plane and put the VPP after I learn how it flys