Thank you AV8TOR, just from reading these threads I have figured this out. The ideal of making a deal with the thrash man is a new one and i will try that one out. I think I am going to go the Echo route and have got a couple of messages from people trying to help me. Some of the best people I know I met at a flying field and the people in here have all spent time at one or two or twenty five. Good folks and thanks.

Bill