I didnt know about the flat outs, thats why i asked, But i also mentioned the the flight flex by GP i think they are similar to the ones you mentioned from hobby king. The ones from hobby king are half the price is there any difference? Also what will i want to look for in terms of set up, Like i said i do have two1800 mah 3s lipos for my blade 400, I dont know if the batterys would be compatible but it would be nice since it would give me a start to the battery collection. Also what do i lookfor in terms of esc. Like i said this would be my first electric. So i dont know too much about what goes into electric set ups. Id like to get something like one of these so i can start messing around and learning 3d, Id love to have a ultimate bipe or reactor bipe or something of the like in a 40 or 60 size nitro, but would be petrified to learn 3d on it. So id like to learn on something thats alittle less wallet threatning.

Thanks again