Oppose Its hard to say right now, I normally buy in bulk from the retail california chain that Gray Beard talks about can purchase it around four dollars a gallon less than their current shelf price on that particular day.

The self price of course can change quite often and quite volatile. The largest buys I have made have been fifty gallons (in gallon cans, I don't do barrels for me) and the smallest around 28 gallons.

That is around enough to last me hopefully 6 months plus. I am using less these days.

I made my first big buy from Joe Bridi who at the time was making a slow move to his home down on the River not to far from here. Mr. Joe who I think had an interest in a blender in Rialto Ca. Had hauled up a load in his big van along with a lot of his kits from california for a club group down at the river. Well as so often happens on group buys after he had hauled the stuff litteraly to their doorstep they started backing out and changing everything.

It was at that point he called me and of course first thing I said was how much and my reply to his answer was you bet all of it. Drove on up the hill right to my front door. It was an eye opener and unfortunately he got out of his fuel interest shortly after but it lasted me happily for a year.

After that i started to buy from the California chain in bulk buys and never failed to get a great price at around four bucks less than the current self price. The trick is to only go blind during the slow part of the week and do not call ahead wanting to make a deal. During the slow part of the week the manager is wanting to increase his daily receipts and I always carry sufficient cash. Cash always carries a bigger stick over credit cards simply because the manager will avoid credit card cost.

Twenty perhaps thirty gallons and up always works and everyone is happy. On some occasions they have cleaned out all they have in the back as well as the selves and I may not get as much as I planned but thats fine and the store wants to move the product.

I have been called selfish and even immoral in doing this but it is in no way any different than any club doing exactly the same thing as a collective. I cannot easily go into any store as a gympy guy and I prefer to keep my store visits to a minimum the once to twice a year buy makes great sense for me both physically and financially.

John[8D]