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Old 10-23-2009 | 09:11 PM
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Default RE: New/Revised AMA Safety Code item:


ORIGINAL: Hossfly


ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
Will we eventually get back to pre-safety-code Good-Ol'-Days when the caller/spotter's main purpose was to hold the RC pilot's beer? BTDT many a time.
BTW I find this statement very telling...it is always the other guy?... huh
Where do you come by '',,,it is always the other guy?'' Hey, in my posts I readily admit to using a tremendous amount of bad judgment, especially in my younger days. Sometimes I was the pilot and sometimes the caller, in that specific item quoted by LCS.

CP says, ''The 8 hour rule is totally unenforcable and highly arbitrary.'' Heck, anyone knows that or at least I gave credit for such. The ''under the influence'' simply builds a total unbreakable wall around the drinker.
As far as any alcohol is concerned, with this rule, it may as well be, ''Don't leave the cooler open: gotta' keep things cold.'' No toy airplane flier will ever be able to say anything as because the toy airplane flier is simply NOT qualified to determine ''under the influence''. To try to be so, only invites litigation. with the time slot deal, as I said, if one is OBSERVED drinking, then another AMA member can advise the legality and risk. How simple does it HAVE to be? [>:]

Think about this: I attend a fair amount of sanctioned events. The last 4 weekends have been such, none tomorrow, 10-24-09.
At least 4 in a row. NONE have had a Safety Check of the airplanes. One had a DVP there and all had at least one AVP. WHY do you think this is? IMO it is same for all CDs. AMA requires the pilot to sign that he and airplane can do the maneuvers. If he signs that, then why should the CD do the chores of a safety check? IMAA still wants one but the checker reads the check-list, the pilot performs it and the pilot alone determines airworthy status. If the checker says the machine is ready to fly, then the checker assumes responsibility. That means in case of damage to life or limb, the checker and the CD are responsible, not the pilot, as he listened to their call. The same will now exist reference no time limit with the alcohol, as somewhere else the term is, ''Don't ask, don't tell.'' If you bring it, you fly it. ''EES na' muy pro-bleem, senior!''

Now, such statements about not allowing alcohol on the field, and such off the wall crap, only displays a lack of comprehension and vision about the potential of a simple rule, that when removed, can create a very undesirable atmosphere. If I should again be CD, club officer, whatever, and a pilot is consuming, guess someone will have to dial 1-800 - AMA-Call if it bothers them. I'll be looking the other way. I've had adequate time in court to satisfy me. [sm=47_47.gif]
Hoss, IMO the new rule further takes the heat off the CD, or safety officer, or anybody else in charge at a field or event. The official is not the judge, only the enforcer. "If I see you drink-ee, you no fly-ee. Period." Your statements make it seem you are more concerned with being sued for discrimination against drunken flying than ensuring a safe atmosphere for the crowd.
Since the days of Prohibition, there is less tolerance for drinking and doing anything now than ever before, legally speaking. And in the event of a catastrophe at an event, you do not want to be the CD who allowed a guy to fly and hurt someone after the guy was seen drinking, whether it was 1, 2, 4, or 8 hours ago. If something like this happens, the law will be involved immediately. If alcohol was involved, that will come up immediately, too.
In Indiana, and other states also, one doesn't have to have a BAC of .08% to be arrested and found guilty of being under the influence. That is only the definition of being legally drunk. A cop can arrest you for any BAC if he determines you are doing something unsafe. That doesn't mean you will be convicted, but if it involves death or injury, you are in a world of hurt with even a trace amount of alcohol (or drugs) in your system.
So, to me, this looks like an improved CYA for event officials and the AMA.